*** Democracies Online Newswire - http://www.e-democracy.org/do *** *** New! Discuss Posts - http://e-democracy.org/do/discuss.html *** This may be the end of Yahoogroups momentum with the new opt-out marketing profiles: http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,51461,00.html However, it looks like you need a YahooID to be fully impacted by this. The vast majority of the people on the dozens of Yahoogroups lists that I run have not connected there list e-mail addresses with a YahooID. To change your YahooID settings see: http://edit.my.yahoo.com/config/eval_profile If Yahoo! finds "opt-out" profitable and maintains their current course, I would guess that that the thousands of civic groups and political efforts that use Yahoogroups for many-to-many interaction will start to move elsewhere - the sense that your subscribers may be marketed to because they subscribe to your lists makes using Yahoogroups too politically risky. Minnesota E-Democracy is now accelerating our plans to move our remaining lists off of their service. The competition: http://www.topica.com http://www.groupcare.com - New company in Denmark. http://www.communityzero.com http://communities.msn.com http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Mailing_Lists/Hosting_Companies/ Or as Minnesota E-Democracy has, groups will start to support their own lists: http://www.list.org - We are using Mailman http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Internet/Servers/Mail/List_Manageme nt/ - Say, anyone want to build some database-based e-mail list archiving tools for E-Democracy? E-mail <do-code-subscribe@yahoogroups.com> (OK, my DO lists are staying on Yahoogroups for know since I don't have the resources to take them to my own domain.) One tidbit, when I visited Vicnet in Melbourne, we chatted about their MC2 - My Connected Community software <http://mc2.vicnet.net.au>. They built this themselves. They told me they were considering using Listar <http://www.ecartis.org> to add e-mail posting (not just digest receiving) and may allow others to use the software. If they implement their system in such a way that it allows people to participate on an _equal_ basis via e-mail and/or web, add some sort of structured forum description system <http://www.opengroups.org>?? that would connect distributed MC2 servers, and encouraged other sites to use and contribute to improvements to their software, we may see the dawn of a new era of online group communication. Then again, it might just be another situation where most of us have no clue how to install or manage software designed for the technically adept. Steven Clift Democracies Online From: http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,51461,00.html Yahoo's 'Opt-Out' Angers Users By Michelle Delio Print this • E-mail it • Set E-mail Alerts 2:00 a.m. April 2, 2002 PST Internet portal Yahoo may want to think about changing its advertising slogan from "Do You Yahoo?" to "You DO Yahoo." In e-mail messages that began going out last week, Yahoo advised its users that their account preferences had been changed, by Yahoo, to indicate that they wanted to receive advertising solicitations through spam, snail mail and telephone. Yahoo has also added users' home addresses and phone numbers to their "Yahoo ID" profiles. Predictably to everyone but perhaps Yahoo, user reaction to that e- mail has been less than positive. Marketing and privacy experts predict that Yahoo's action will have a widespread and detrimental effect on all electronic sales and services, due to increasing privacy concerns. - clip - Information about the changes to Yahoo users' preference settings is tucked in an e-mail from Yahoo that begins with the statement: "Your privacy is very important to us." The "new" preferences will not go into effect for 60 days, giving users a chance to reset their preferences to "No," before they begin getting marketing solicitations, a Yahoo spokesman said. Yahoo IDs are required for use of some of Yahoo's services. To sign up for an ID, users only need to provide a user name, password and e- mail address. ^ ^ ^ ^ Steven L. 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